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Abduction Digest, Number 87
Monday, February 22nd 1993
(C) Copyright 1993 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved.
Today's Topics:
Abduction Investigation (
Implants
New
Abduction/Abuse
Abduction Investigation (
Implants
New
Implants
New
Abductions
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From: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs)
Subject: Abduction Investigation (
Date: 16 Feb 93 06:37:50 GMT
Sheldon,
Estimates of the percentage of sexually abused children in the United
States ranges from about 25% to about 40%. Basically, nobody really knows the
extent of the problem. I have found several of the people with whom I have
worked to have been sexually abused as children. Most others have not been. I
would imagine that the number of abductees who have suffered abuse probably
mirrors the population as a whole. The subject is complicated, however, by the
fact that some abductees feel that they have been sexually abused as a child
(usually a one-shot, vague remembrance) that turns out to be an abduction
event. In other words, the sexual abuse is a screen memory for the abduction
event.
We are making good headway in training therapists and others in how to do
regressive hypnosis of abductees and I might have someone for you in Oregon. In
the meantime, I will be happy to talk with anyone with whom you would like to
look into your friend's situation. A conference call is fine, or the therapist
could just call me directly. Any way you want to arrange it is fine with me.
Thanks for the kind words. I have been involved with UFO research since 1965 and I have never experienced a more contentious period. I
have also never seen so many mean-spirited critics before. So, it is
nice to hear some supportive sentiments for a change. Thanks again.
--
David Jacobs - via ParaNet node 1:104/422
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From: Vince.Johnson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Vince Johnson)
Subject: Implants
Date: 17 Feb 93 17:54:00 GMT
Could you describe the implants that are reportedly being studied
at MIT (or verify that this is indeed occuring)? Have any pinkish,
1mm (along the major axis) hollow, egg-shaped objects been recovered
and/or analyzed?
Regards,
Vince
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Vince Johnson - via ParaNet node 1:104/422
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From: Anson.Kennedy@p0.f25.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Anson Kennedy)
Subject: New
Date: 18 Feb 93 03:39:00 GMT
In a message to Bill Skiles you said (in part):
> the second was in Los Angeles. The third workshop
> will be at the end of March in Atlanta. Perhaps some
> people will come up from Florida for that one.
> Incidentally, John Mack will join us for the upcoming
> workshop.
Where in Atlanta will this be held? And how does one get invited?
I would be very interested in attending if possible.
--- Anson
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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Abduction/Abuse
Date: 18 Feb 93 04:27:00 GMT
DJ>Estimates of the percentage of sexually abused children in the United
DJ>States ranges from about 25% to about 40%. Basically, nobody really knows
DJ>the extent of the problem.
If the 25%-40% figure is based on individuals that have _admitted_
sexual abuse, the actual percentage is probably much higher. I am
assuming this data was obtained from a poll of some sort or data
gleaned from physicians and psychologists? Not ALL people would
_want_ to confess to being abused, while others, may have repressed
the experience to the point of being _unaware_ themselves.
DJ>I have found several of the people with whom I
DJ>have worked to have been sexually abused as children.
I would think, according to the aforementioned statistics, that
significantly more than "several" of your people have been
sexually abused. I don't know how many people you have worked
with, but let us say for argument's sake... 200 or so. If
25%-40% (according to your estimate) were abused, we are talking
about 50-80 individuals.... significantly greater than _several_!
DJ> Most others have not been <abused>.
IF, on the other hand, the actual number of abuse cases IS
merely "several", than you have uncovered something rather
significant. Why would a random sampling of individuals
claiming abduction, contain a very small percentage of
abuse victims. By your term "several", am I safe to assume
less than 5% have been abused?
DJ>In other words, the sexual abuse is a screen memory
DJ>for the abduction event.
Or... some psychologists might state the inverse!
DJ>We are making good headway in training therapists and others in how to
DJ>do regressive hypnosis of abductees and I might have someone for you in
DJ>Oregon.
Can you provide me with contact information? I have heard of
Ida Kannenberg in Eugene... via Leo Sprinkle.
DJ>In the meantime, I will be happy to talk with anyone with whom
DJ>you would like to look into your friend's situation. A conference
DJ>call is fine, or the therapist could just call me directly.
DJ>Any way you want to arrange it is fine with me.
Is your office phone # still 215-836-5997? Also are there any times
that are better in attempting to reach you?
DJ>Thanks for the kind words. ... it is
DJ>nice to hear some supportive sentiments for a change.
You deserve them... It is only through the dedication of
individuals such as yourself, that we shall eventually
discover the true meaning of all this... whatever it
may be.
--Sheldon
* OLX 2.1 TD * <SLW> <CHICAGO> <NETMAIL> 1:115/887.2 (708)-887-7687
--
Sheldon Wernikoff - via ParaNet node 1:104/422
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From: Phil.Koliske@f8.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Phil Koliske)
Subject: Abduction Investigation (
Date: 20 Feb 93 04:11:48 GMT
DJ>Sheldon,
DJ> Although it is impossible to tell exactly what has happened to this
DJ>woman, it does sound like she has been through the mill. You have done a
DJ>good job in obtaining some of the more dramatic and perhaps terrifying
DJ>incidents in her life that she consciously remembers. My best guess is
DJ>there is probably much more. Her medical history is useful, especially he
DJ>ear and nose bleeds, gynecological problems, and other unusual medical
DJ>sequelae. Being sexually abused probably mirrors the society and one must
DJ>be very careful not to place too much emphasis on this as a causative fact
DJ>for the other events. What have you decided to do in the future? Are you
DJ>going forward with hypnosis? Do you have a competent hypnotist who
DJ>thoroughly understands the abduction phenomenon? The woman might also nee
DJ>psychological counseling and a good therapist is always essential in this
DJ>regard.
DJ> So far, you seem to be on top of the situation and I hope that the
DJ>woman can have a satisfactory resolution to her problems. Please keep me
DJ>posted about what is happening with her. If you drop me a line, I might be
DJ>able to send you the name of a therapist or hypnotist in your area (if the
DJ>is anyone) who is at least interested in the subject, if not expert in it.
Hi: I was reading your mail and was wondering if you could put me in
touch with a local person (group)?..that specializes in abduction
cases? I was looking into it because after reading a few books and
reading this last case it has raised questions that I may have been a
victim of an abduction when I was young.....I feel silly about doing
this ..but There are too many questions about my childhood that need to
be addressed. Thank .....PHIL [ Phoenix, Az.]
--
Phil Koliske - via ParaNet node 1:104/422
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From: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs)
Subject: Implants
Date: 20 Feb 93 06:04:28 GMT
An analysis of an implant was conducted by a person connected with MIT. it
was not of the variety that you described. The conclusion that he came to was
that it was inconclusive. However, it did not seem metallic, as memory serves
me. I am being a little bit not forthcoming here because I believe that he
will have a piece about it in the upcoming proceedings of the MIT conference
and I don't want to steal his thunder.
--
David Jacobs - via ParaNet node 1:104/422
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From: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs)
Subject: New
Date: 20 Feb 93 06:12:06 GMT
The invitations are being sent out to Mental Health Professionals
exclusively. They are being handled through the Robert Bigelow Foundation in
Las Vegas, Nevada. Robert Bigelow is supporting the endeavor. Right now I can
give you no information other than what I have said. I do not even know where
in Atlanta the event will be held. I can probably provide that information as
we get closer to the
date.
--
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From: Vince.Johnson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Vince Johnson)
Subject: Implants
Date: 20 Feb 93 17:53:00 GMT
> An analysis of an implant was conducted by a person
>connected with MIT. it was not of the variety that you
>described. The conclusion that he came to was that it was
>inconclusive. However, it did not seem metallic, as memory
>serves me. I am being a little bit not forthcoming here
>because I believe that he will have a piece about it in the
>upcoming proceedings of the MIT conference and I don't want to
>steal his thunder.
> * Origin: ParaNet * Delta-Alpha * Philadelphia PA
>(9:1010/21.0)
>202/502 812
>2405/666
Do you know when the MIT report will be published? I've heard it's
to be 1000 pages long.
Regards,
Vince
--
Vince Johnson - via ParaNet node 1:104/422
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From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen)
Subject: New
Date: 20 Feb 93 16:59:00 GMT
* Replying to a message originally to David Jacobs
BS> Hi David,
BS>
BS> What's new in the abduction research field? When last we
BS> talked you stated that you were involved with going around
BS> the country and helping others to learn about regressive
BS> techniques as well as educate them on abductions and how to
BS> help treat those that may have had these experiences. How
BS> is the information going? Are other professionals becoming
BS> aware now, are they getting involved. Anyone here in
BS> Florida.
BS>
BS> As you know I have my own experiences and am sort of
BS> waiting until there is someone that knows something in this
BS> area (Florida) before I pursue any further.
BS>
BS> I have been away for several months and was just wondering.
BS>
BS> Thank you for your time, Bill
BS>
BS> --- WMail 2.3/demo
Bill, give me call at the International UFO Center in Orlando, FL
at 407-351-4306. I might be able to help you.
73's ---Jim---
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From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen)
Subject: Abductions
Date: 20 Feb 93 17:11:01 GMT
David, I have acouple of very interesting cases going on in Frida
and would like to contact you by mail if possible. One involves a 5
month missing time and another is involves a 61 yr old lady that has
had some unusal experiences since she was 13 yrs. old. She is now
under going regressive hypnosis by a very well train and
professional person in this field.
Is there a address that I can reach you at?
Jim Greenen----- International UFO Center, Orlando Florida
--
Jim Greenen - via ParaNet node 1:104/422
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